Date: Tue, 28 Mar 95 05:38:06 CST From: rusin (Dave Rusin) To: shackle@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu Subject: Re: Minimum arc length problem Newsgroups: sci.math In article <3l6vdh$o73@uwm.edu> you write: >Larry Riddle chiseled onto a granite tablet: >>I gave my calculus II students the following contest problem: >>Find three examples of a function f : [0,1] -> R satisfying >>(1) f(x) >= 0 >>(2) f(0)=f(1)=0 >>(3) area under the graph of f is equal to 1 >>Calculate the arc length of the graph of each function. The goal >>is to find a function with an arc length as small as possible. > >I'm guessing that the function would be >y=\sqrt{1/4 - (x-1/2)^2} Careful - I almost made the same mistake. You forgot condition (3). Of course what we want to do is to use the fact that the region with a given area and minimal circumference is the circle; but the added condition that there be a line segment of length 1 on the perimeter is not consistent with this, nor is it possible to remove the line segment with a symmetry argument since the required area is not pi/8. I don't do calculus of variations so I don't remember how to solve this one. The best symmetric linear function meeting the requirements has perimeter 5.123; the best parabola has perimeter 4.25; the best half-ellipse has perimetr 3.919; the best circular-arc-on-a-box has area 3+pi/4 = 3.78. dave ============================================================================== Newsgroups: sci.math From: lew@usgp3.ih.att.com (-Mammel,L.H.) Subject: Re: Minimum arc length problem Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 18:44:03 GMT Looking in Chapter 2 of Goldstein's CLASSICAL MECHANICS, we refresh our memory of the variational equation for the extrema of Int { f(y,y',x) dx } : df/dy - d/dx(df/dy') = 0 ( df/dy and df/dy' are partial derivatives ) Goldstein even applies this to arc length. In our case though we have the constraint, Int {y dx} = const., and the variation of this is just delta_y. When we add a Lagrange undetermined multiplier times this variation ( which is zero due to the constraint, ) and remembering f = sqrt( 1 + y'^2 ), we just get: d/dx( y'/sqrt(1+y'^2) ) + lambda = 0 or y'/sqrt(1+y'2) = -lambda*x + C == a*(x-r) This can be inverted and integrated easily, and it comes out to be a circular arc whose center and radius must be adjusted to satisfy the constraint and boundary conditions. My opinion is that we get a semicircular cap atop a rectangle for the problem as posed. That still doesn't actually satisfy f(0)=f(1)=0, but we can lean the vertical walls in by epsilon to meet this condition. The "physical" constraints which lead to this solution are vertical walls at x=0 and x=1, a floor at y=0, and a "rubber band" stretched between (0,0) and (1,0). We then inject a unit volume of incompressible fluid under the rubber band. It will fill to a semicircle and then extend upwards keeping a semicircular cap. Without the vertical walls we would just get a circular bubble with a chord for the floor. Lew Mammel, Jr. ============================================================================== From: fkauf@fstgds06.tu-graz.ac.at (Friedrich Kaufmann) Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re:Minimum arc length Date: 30 Mar 1995 21:29:00 GMT >Find three examples of a function f : [0,1] -> R satisfying >(1) f(x) >= 0 >(2) f(0)=f(1)=0 >(3) area under the graph of f is equal to 1 >Calculate the arc length of the graph of each function. The goal >is to find a function with an arc length as small as possible. You will get f(x) = y: 1 / | / 2 \ l = | sqrt| 1 + y' | dx ---> min | \ / / 0 considering: 1 / | 0 = | (y - A) dx | / 0 here A is the area: More generally you can say: b / I = | F(y,y') dx / a considering: b / 0 = | G(y) dx / a Using Euler's equation you will get: d F + lamda * G - --- F = 0 y y dx y' using: / 2 \ F = sqrt| 1 + y' | G = y - A \ / you will get: d y' --- -------------- = lamda dx sqrt(1 + y'^2) integrating this, you will get: 1 y = ----- sqrt(1 - (lamda * x + C1)^2) + C2 lamda Now there are 3 unknowns to determine and there are 3 conditions: y(0) = 0 y(1) = 0 A = 1 Using the first and second, you will get: 1 / \ y = ----- | sqrt(1 - lamda^2 * (x - 0.5)^2) - sqrt(1 - lamda^2/4) | lamda \ / Looking at the formula, you will see, that this is a circle segment. The area is a continuous function of lamda, but lamda is limited by 1, because otherwise there is no real solution in the interval [0,1]. The maximum area is therefore: Amax = pi/8 for lamda = 1 Since the area should be 1, I suggest following solution: Take a rectangular and put a halve circle on it and you will get following function graph: f(x) ^ | | * * * | * * | * * | * * |* * * * --- * * ^ * * | 1 - pi/8 * * | * * v ********************************** ------------------------------> x 0 1 The length of the arc is: 2 + pi/4 = 2.78539 f(x) = sqrt(0.25 - (x-0.5)^2) + 1 - pi/8 for 0 < x < 1 f(x) = 0 for x=0 and x=1 The function f(x) isn't continuous at x=0 and at x=1 and the question is now, what is the arc length of a discontinuous function. ==============================================================================