From cbrown@cbrownsystems.com Sun Apr 3 23:31:44 CDT 2005 Article: 382133 of sci.math Path: news!news.niu.edu!news.illinois.net!attcg1!attcg2!ip.att.net!news.binc.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: cbrown@cbrownsystems.com Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: A new PROBLEM Date: 3 Apr 2005 14:47:06 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 50 Message-ID: <1112564825.954576.223210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> References: <1112430496.530072.270240@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <3b8fjsF6clvu7U1@news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.4.225.98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1112564830 26042 127.0.0.1 (3 Apr 2005 21:47:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:47:10 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.4.225.98; posting-account=GYng8QwAAAASJCdK-kCiIRtmF4RV4yrR Xref: news sci.math:382133 john wrote: > Dear all > In the windows help menu regarding the solitaire game the windows team > say that it is assumed that at any stage the gam can be winned. The > question is whether we can mathematically prove the fallacy of that > statement. I think the game you mean is not "Solitaire" but instead is "FreeCell". The "Help" page says: "* Note: It is believed (although not proven) that every game is winnable." This is strictly false. From the "File" Menu, choose "Select Game...", and enter the number "-1" or "-2" (minus one or two). The games selected cannot be won (rather obviously). So the programmers already knew that there existed (potentially) a deal that cannot be won. But based on the (original) algorithm used to generate FreeCell shuffles, there were only 32000 different possible deals, which is considerably less than the total number of _possible_ deals. (ObProb: How many distinct deals are there in FreeCell?) However, one of these 32000 deals (game #11982) has been shown to be unsolvable; there was (for a while) a group of people on the net trying to solve every possible shuffle (!!). See: http://www.solitairelaboratory.com/fcfaq.html for a description, and more background/analysis. FreeCell on WinXP now lets you select one of 1000000 games (3 times as many as the original); so there may be a few more unsolvable ones lurking in the fog... For a mathematical analysis of an unsolvable game (not in the standard set), see: http://www.cs.uu.nl/~hansb/d.freecell/freecellhtml.html Cheers - Chas > thanks > hysen